People are downvoting you because you're writing things that are:

- factually wrong (revealing you don't know very basic info about Rust)

- anecdotal

- inflammatory (as you yourself admit when you say your comments were "crude")

It's not that people are being fanboys. I see lots of non-downvoted comments about not wanting to use Rust. Look at any HN thread about Zig, and you'll see a ton of non-grey comments that say Zig is better or that modern C/C++ don't need replacing.

If you want to sincerely debate Rust, you should learn the basics (for example, understanding how it's intended to reuse the C ecosystem, not "throw it away"); stop insulting other people in the thread (e.g. saying that using Rust is "playing with toys"); and acknowledging that it's not intended to appeal to anyone who thinks they're able to perfectly manage memory in C/C++ without any mistakes.

On that last point: no one with a lot of experience in C/C++ thinks it's possible to manage memory in those languages without dangerous bugs, and increasingly people think adopting a new language (Rust) is a good trade-off for avoiding whole classes of memory bugs.

Could you reconsider downvoting people who don't know about something and have a legitimate curiosity? It makes HN a really off-putting place to post.

I didn't downvote you.

The thing is that your tone doesn't seem to come across a genuinely interested. It seems like you're just throwing uninformed opinions at people without leaving an opening for discussion.

For example, you talk about not wanting to throw away the C ecosystem. Instead, you could say, "What about all the great C libraries that we're never going to rewrite in Rust? Are Rust users throwing all that work away?"

And then someone would correctly inform you that the Rust community doesn't want to throw all that work away and has spent a ton of time on interop.

>I'm wrong and can't have those thoughts.

There is a difference between facts and opinions, yah?

I'm not trying really hard to argue facts or even talking about performance numbers or anything of the sort. There are people who really, really love Rust, and I'd love to better understand how some developers arrived at their opinions of the software.

If there's a killer reason outside of memory safety and ownership, like compiler speed or something, I'd love to hear more about it from first hand accounts rather than someone's blog article about how great Rust is... and oh by the way we sell some product written in Rust, check it out! You know?

I hear what you're saying in this sub-thread. I will say that your "toy" comment didn't make it seem like you were interested in having a real discussion, but mostly just throwing shade, as they say. The whole comment has this vague undertone of "I am above this whole thing." This is probably why you're running into some difficulty. There's not just the crew that loves Rust, but also a very, very dedicated set of Rust haters, and it's really easy to bucket someone, incorrectly, into one or the other, based on initial impression.

One interesting thing in this comment, and why I chose to respond to it though, is it seems like what you want isn't just a description, but a specific kind of description from a specific kind of person. That is, it has to be "first-hand" but also not from someone who "sell[s] some product written in Rust." How can you get first-hand knowledge without building something? How can you demonstrate that that knowledge is legitimate without also letting people know that you have done that work? It seems impossible to me.

Yeah, sorry about that Steve. That was crass. I appreciate you sharing some thoughts here.

With respect to people's experiences, there are a lot more developers than developer/salesmen. The latter are more passionate by necessity, so I think there's a healthy band of feedback from those consuming the language maybe for work or hobby projects.

It's cool! Commenting on the internet is hard! And not everyone will like Rust, and that's super okay. You may also end up trying it and deciding you don't like it. That is 100% fine, no matter what upvotes or downvotes say.

You're side stepping what I said. The point is people will downvote false facts, but rarely downvote opinions that do not have an underpinning of false facts.

Furthermore, you're lying. You've gotten tons of responses here as to why some people use Rust or like Rust, yet you then continue to spout that you want what you've already have gotten.

Not everyone has a vested interest.