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Yet if you were to base yourself off of the attention they get on HN you'd think it's the largest search engine in the universe.

I'm tired about seeing all those posts about Kagi. I have yet to see a single example where it outperforms Google. People just don't know how to search.

Every time someone claims Google is becoming bad, ask them to share what they're looking for and how they search for it, and where the problem lies becomes glaringly obvious.



A similar take would be that why use LLMs to query information since we can use normal search and still find the results. Defaults and usability matters.


That's probably the worst analogy one could make when trying to show that one system is superior to another when we all know and experience daily that LLMs hallucinate search results all the time and are completely unreliable.

My original point is that Kagi is NOT better than Google at search.


I think you missed the point - for masses the correctness matters less than average usability and efficiency of getting results that are good enough most of the time.


Can you share some examples of obvious problems with how people use Google?


Just searching with extremely poor keywords is the most common problem I've noticed. It's a search engine, not an interpretation engine.

Also simply bad faith.

Check my response to this article and the thread of comments that ensued for a pretty recent example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43829655

I have never ever had a problem with search. If I can't find something on Google it means it simply doesn't exist.


Do you use an ad-blocker on desktop and mobile?

With my ad-blocker enabled, I was able to replicate your results for the "expedited passport renewal" search. (state.gov right under the AI Overview)

Then I disabled my ad-blocker, and the sponsored results and AI Overview pushed the first actual result (still state.gov) below the fold.


Not on mobile which is what I used that day.

Actually for me the AI overview does show up but BELOW the official government's website (and there's no ad at all).




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