I've given you examples. I get that you disagree, and interpretations can differ of course, but it's the same standard we'd apply to anyone's posts.
Since those seem like obvious calls to me, I wonder whether you are experiencing the skew in perception where people underestimate the negativity in their own posts and overestimate the negativity coming from others: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
> me responding to a troll with their own language back at them
If you think that another user is trolling, you shouldn't be responding at all. This is in the guidelines: "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls. And you certainly shouldn't be responding with "their own language back at them" - that's the perpetuation of flamewar we're talking about.
If I didn't respond to an earlier question, the most likely reason is that I didn't see it. Either way, pointing the finger at others is a poor way to respond about your own rule breakage.
> If you think that another user is trolling, you shouldn't be responding at all. This is in the guidelines: "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead."
It's really hard to do that in the current HN environment. We've had a number of confirmed hoaxes put straight onto the front page - the disabled boy that was presented as starving, the Anthony Aguillar allegations, the dead boy that's still alive. https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=nailer
How can we not respond to trolls when the trolls submissions are being manually unflagged?
The HN guidelines also state:
> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics... unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon.
The manual unflagging and influx of political chat created as a result recently makes it seem like the guidelines have been suspended.
> And you certainly shouldn't be responding with "their own language back at them" - that's the perpetuation of flamewar we're talking about.
OK, I won't do that again.
> If I didn't respond to an earlier question, the most likely reason is that I didn't see it. Either way, pointing the finger at others is a poor way to respond about your own rule breakage.
Do you want to respond now? If it is unclear, I understand that you are making that point, I disagree that I am pointing the finger at your in response to you discussing the combatative environment on HN and I am suggesting the environment has changed on HN due to the unflagging of stories that would have been dead anytime from 2-18 or whatever it is years ago.
The best way to handle this:
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Tell HN: most political submissions will now be removed
8000 points by dang
We recently started manually unflagging political discussions from the HN front page. This has caused a huge increase in the amount of combatative political discussion on the site and the we can see the change has not been for the betterment of HN. The HN guidelines state "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics... unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon." and we're now going to go back to enforcing that rule.
Since those seem like obvious calls to me, I wonder whether you are experiencing the skew in perception where people underestimate the negativity in their own posts and overestimate the negativity coming from others: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
> me responding to a troll with their own language back at them
If you think that another user is trolling, you shouldn't be responding at all. This is in the guidelines: "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls. And you certainly shouldn't be responding with "their own language back at them" - that's the perpetuation of flamewar we're talking about.
If I didn't respond to an earlier question, the most likely reason is that I didn't see it. Either way, pointing the finger at others is a poor way to respond about your own rule breakage.