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Did you read the article? It was a real world practice, but long gone already at that time (in the mentioned parts of Europe at least).


I'll play's devil's advocate - is there really a difference?

People were angry (rightfully so) at children chimney sweeps and they definitely existed, were abused and did die/have horrible problems/etc.

So the outrage is justified. Now, the specific picture isn't true/authentic, but the contents of the picture definitely existed did.

So is it wrong?


> the contents of the picture definitely existed

No it didn't, according to the article, 3 year olds weren't chimney sweeps and the tools the child carries are not the appropriate size.

It is as much as a reenactment as a kid in a cow-boy costume today. Having a kid dress up like their daddy at work is cute, and I am sure that that's how people saw it.

But a long time have passed, and it is easy to imagine people of the past as some kind of barbarians. Sure, they did some things that are unacceptable now, but we are missing a lot of nuance.


But they are targeting the wrong time period with their anger.

It’s like with the witch hunts which are associated with the middle ages but happened later.


What's the point of getting angry about something that happened so long ago that the angry people's grandparents weren't born yet?


Why would the filmmakers make the re-enactment though? For social media? For clicks over the interwebs?

For context, by the late '20 programs were running for the elimination of Gypsies and disabled children inside concentration camps. Pieces of burned clothing were found on rooftops. Even Britain had a eugenics program against inferior races.

Not likely therefore made to cause outrage over children's rights, rather to depict established practices.


To these days, there are kids dressed at chimney sweep in a lot of weddings in many german speaking countries. I know one of my daughter did dress that way in a friend's wedding when I was living in Switzerland.

People think about the tradition of them bringing good omen and how cute they look, not gruesome children labor.


Haven't heard of children doing it, but similarly in the UK many working modern sweeps also do (paid) wedding appearances, kiss the bride for luck etc. Bit of a weird tradition! No idea how common it is, denominated by #weddings, not that, I'd guess.


> Why would the filmmakers make the re-enactment though?

because, as you'll see in the article, people thought it was cute and funny to dress up very small children as chimney sweeps

> by the late '20 programs were running for the elimination of Gypsies and disabled children inside concentration camps

You've got your timeline mixed up


From the article:

>Another important thing to mention is that the chimney sweep was a good luck symbol at that time, especially in Germany. People dressed up as them and send each other postcards showing children as chimney sweeps.


But does provide services the entire world depends on.


it's the other way round, the military maintains the world order, the currency is used as reserve, and they get to provide services that nobody else can provide while they're top dog. they are not on a trajectory to remain top dog for very long.


there's no reason that one government should control that currency.


Trust was its own reason. It's useful for the whole world to have a currency and business environment that operates by rules, even when the rules aren't perfect or fair.

That environment isn't being outcompeted by better, more fair rules - it's just getting vandalized for a few people's gain, and creating risk for everyone else .


there's what you think, and then there is reality.


Can't help but thinking how handy PowerShell is out of the box for tasks like this.

Translating the examples from the ReadMe, having read the file with:

  $medias = Get-Content .\medias.csv | ConvertFrom-Csv
Previewing the file in the terminal

  xan view medias.csv
  $medias | Format-Table
Reading a flattened representation of the first row

  xan flatten -c medias.csv
  $medias | Format-List
Searching for rows

  xan search -s outreach internationale medias.csv | xan view
  $medias | Where-Object { $_.outreach -eq "internationale" } | Format-Table
Selecting some columns

  xan select foundation_year,name medias.csv | xan view
  $medias | Select-Object -Property foundation_year, name | Format-Table
Sorting the file

  xan sort -s foundation_year medias.csv | xan view -s name,foundation_year
  $medias | Sort-Object -Property foundation_year | Select-Object -Property name, foundation_year | Format-Table
Deduplicating the file on some column

  # Some medias of our corpus have the same ids on mediacloud.org
  xan dedup -s mediacloud_ids medias.csv | xan count && xan count medias.csv
  $medias | Select-Object -ExpandProperty mediacloud_ids -Unique | Measure-Object; $medias | Measure-Object -Property mediacloud_ids
Computing frequency tables

  xan frequency -s edito medias.csv | xan view
  $medias | Group-Object -Property edito | Sort-Object -Property Count -Descending
It's probably orders of magnitude slower, and of course, plotting graphs and so on gets tricky. But for the simple type of analysis I typically do, it's fast enough, I don't need to learn an extra tool, and the auto-completion of column/property names is very convenient.


I find Nushell even better for these usecases:

    $medias = open .\medias.csv
The above is the initial read and format into table.

I'm currently on my phone so can't go through all the examples, but knowing both PS and nu, nu has the better syntax.

EDIT:

Get data and view in table:

    let $medias = http get https://github.com/medialab/corpora/raw/master/polarisation/medias.csv
    $medias
Get headers:

    $medias | columns
Get count of rows:

   $medias | length
Get flattened, slight more convoluted (caveat there might be a better way):

    $medias | each {print $in}
Search rows:

    $medias | where $it.outreach == 'internationale'
Select columns:

    $medias | select foundation_year name
Sort file:

    $medias | select foundation_year name | sort-by foundation_year
Dedup based on column:

    $medias | uniq-by mediacloud_ids
Computing frequency and histogram

    $medias | histogram edito


Yes, I find PowerShell is criminally underrated for these type of tasks. Even though it's open source and cross-platform, the stigma from it's Windows-centric days is hard to overcome.


Just as a quick usability feedback: As long as Deepl translates asynchronously as I type, while Kagi requires a full form send & page refresh, I am not inclined to switch (translation quality is also already too good for my language pairs to consider switching for minor improvements, but the usability/ speed is the real feature here).

This is coming from a user with existing Kagi Ultimate subscription, so I'm generally very open to adopt another tool if it fits my needs).

Slightly offtopic, slight related: As already mentioned the last time Kagi hit the HN front page when I saw it: the best improvement I could envision for kagi is improved search performance (page speed). I still encounter multiple second page loads far too frequently that I didn't notice with other search engines.


Interesting, I'm actually annoyed that DeepL sends every keystroke and I'm using idk how many resources on their end when I'm just interested in the result at the end and for DeepL to receive the final version I want to share with them

That it's fast, you don't have to wait much between finishing typing and the result being ready, that's great and probably better than any form system is likely to be. But if it could be a simple enter press and then async loading the result, that sounds great to me


> As long as Deepl translates asynchronously as I type, while Kagi requires a full form send & page refresh,

This leads to increased cost and we wanted to keep service free. But yes we will introduce translate as your type (will be limited to paid Kagi members).


I uninstalled the DeepL extension because it would load all its assets (fonts etc) into every. single. page. No matter the host.

Unacceptable.


This will be a paid feature apparently: https://kagifeedback.org/d/5305-kagi-translate-feedback/9


I also found that very frustrating. It's probably the method required to stretch the skin over a tailor's dummy like in that one photo.


I can't even do this at home, let alone in a semi-public place around strangers. Being blind and deaf makes me feel uneasy.


That’s what the gin and tonic step is for


Is this really a problem people have? I personally just use some free mail account for all low-priority stuff without push notifications enabled in my client apps.


People use password managers so they can conveniently have a single password without a single breach compromising all of their accounts.

This is the same idea but for their email identity.


Here's a fun one: https://www.martinvigo.com/email2phonenumber/

The more places you use the same email address, the greater your exposure.


If you are privacy conscious, yes. Compartmentalizing emails used for services is useful. It also tells you who is selling your information.


Also, when it is clear someone is abusing the email you provided, you can nuke it. Perhaps some functionality to be had here between aliases and haveibeenpwned detecting an alias in a breach, queuing for alias cycling or invalidation with a human approval step.


If one address is getting spam I can just turn it off or filter it to the trash.


Interesting example. For context, I have only experience with Azure Bicep so "no state" is my default assumption on IAC languages.

Do you in practice really use random names? In my experience, I'd just use a loop vm01...vm10 for the names and the passwords aren't needed to identify an instance after the deployment so here randomness isn't an issue.


Random choice of subnet is a better example, random names is definitely not common.

Random passwords, write-only attributes (like database master passwords) are the most common.

How do you express “create a DB with this strong password, then put it in a s3 object”, then later “actually put it in SSM rather than s3”?


We cannot, okay, I see the point. Up to now, I considered the inability to express modifications on existing resources a limitation of the declarative model but I can see how adding state can help here.

With Bicep, we mostly deploy only the initial state and then we either re-deploy the whole thing or, if this isn't possible due to the interruptions this causes, add migration scripts in an imperative language (az cli/ pwsh). Which is admittedly the much less elegant approach.


That sounds almost impossible to me. I feel like half of everything I purchase which has a manual doesn't ship with a physical manual, but instead comes with a printed QR code to "get instructions". If it's a gadget that comes with an App, there will be a QR code linking to that app. I know multiple bars/ restaurants which won't send waiters to your table but expect you to scan the QR code on the table and order with your phone.


The last monitor I bought had a QR code to scan for quick start instructions. The QR code went to the wrong monitor! After that I searched for mention of that in existing reviews and only found one person in Amazon who mentioned it. People didn't really read manuals before and I don't think they're scanning QR code manuals nowadays.


But for the qr-code manuals, how often do you refer to them? I see those regularly too, but pretty much never use them.

Similarly for restaurants - in my area, while there temporarily were big a few years ago - I don't really see any place that uses them now. The exception is when I travel to other cities.


Yes we can say "no", no matter the billions of dollars some companies may invest in their product.

I can relate to this kind of excuse in case of fat children who don't fully control their eating habits and rely on whatever food their parents make available to them. For self—sufficient adults, it's a pathetic opinion to have about your own level of control.


This is the exact same kind of moralistic thinking that created the opioid crisis. 40% of adults in the US are obese. Not overweight, obese.[0] Not to mention, that study was conducted before the pandemic, it would be interesting to see where the figures are now. At what percentage of aggregate obesity would you consider the issue to no longer be about self-control? And what makes you think we aren't going to hit that figure in the future?

Products are being developed to intentionally surpass our ability to self-regulate, whether they be food, medication, etc. People get paid really good money to sit in labs and figure out how to make their product more addictive, and we're just expected to just be able to say "no" because free will?

0: https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/...


I think that’s just a political question with no “right” answer. Some people will believe the government should intervene and control some of these foods, and some people will believe it shouldn’t, that people should be free to make their own choices.

There’s very good arguments to be made on either side, and neither side is the “right” side, it just depends on what your values are.

Personally, I like being strict with my own diet and fitness, but being free to take a break and pig out on whatever junk food I feel like. A world without Coke and McDonald’s would be sad to me, even if it is ultimately healthier for the population in general.


Well, the other conversation to have that doesn’t just cash out into personal consumer choice is who a society lets line their coffers with the vices of others.

I find it harder to argue for why you should be able to enrich yourself at the expense of others while singing “But personal choice!” to wash your hands of it all.


I think the problem is the conflict between the two isn't symmetrical. Those who are trying to convince you to eat Coke and McDonalds aren't playing fair or accurately portraying what they're selling. and will promote research that indicates that lack of exercise[1] or fat[2], and will specifically advertise to children.

Comparing it to tobacco or alcohol for example, I don't think it's wrong to let people chose to consume them, but I don't think it's a bad idea to restrict them being sold to young people or restrict their ability to advertise. Imagine for example a cigarette ad for children. The tactics used are fairly similar.[3]

[1]https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/how-coca-cola-disguised-its...

[2]https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074...

[3]https://sugarscience.ucsf.edu/soft-drink-companies-copy-toba...


I would like to point out that the deep marketing/priming is what drives you to the product to begin with. The ability to self-regulate our minds and inherently our decision processes is closer to the root of the issue. That requires a fundamental shift in our education which doesn't see any incentives on the horizon to reform itself as long as low attention mindless caffeine/sugar driven zombies are needed to buy all the stuff we are presented with. We already have a deep seated bias towards comfort in our mental architecture. It's quite easy to piggy back on that for marketers to condition our minds. For someone to constantly be aware of this before making a decision is a bit of a stretch especially in our GO culture. The incentives are simply not there yet, the churn of getting fat and losing weight is too profitable to go away. Just like oil derivatives and other friction profiting cycle products.


Right, it was moralistic thinking that created the opioid crisis.


T2 Diabetic that keeps a fairly strict keto diet here.

Food is terrible these days. It's hard to get stuff that isn't loaded down with sweeteners, never mind salts and fats. All to make food taste better and to get you to eat it more.

The insidious part about this food though, you can't directly taste the part that makes it addicting. If you stay away from it for long enough you can feel it. You'll eat something seemingly mundane, and suddenly you'll notice, not only does this food taste really good, it tastes absolutely wonderful in every way. If you pay close attention you can feel some deep parts of your monkey brain light up informing you that you best eat as much of this splendid food as possible. Weirdly the food itself doesn't actually taste that good, but some of those deep sections of your poor old monkey brain believes it does.

I hear you, well just eat fresh food, plenty of veggies and fruit. That is the where food science has gotten down right diabolical. Over the past bunch of generations we have modified our own produce, apples are sweeter and tastier, so are pears and watermelon, and things like corn, carrots, tomatoes, onions even potatoes and lettuce.

There is no escape from the things that tells your stupid monkey brain, hey eat this you fool!

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Before you dog pile on me, I'm diabetic thanks to the genetic lottery, not for a lifetime of bad eating habits. But thank you for your concern.


> it's a pathetic opinion to have about your own level of control.

The first step to improve is to know your weakness. Our strength is intelligence.


You've staked out some pretty high moral ground, and a position that can be argued against any personal challenge, so I really hope you're perfect in every way or else karma is coming back hard!


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